After a very busy Feb. and March, I finally have some time to revisit this question and am now ready to pull the trigger on a new liner. I skied my Infernos with the packed out stock liner for 7 days at Banff, and vowed "Never again!" To make it tolerable, I had to pad the tongue with some soft thick felt just to give me some relief from the hard liner tongue and take up some volume in the cuff. Comfortable, and nice and snug again. An easy fix, but temporary, as there is still a wee bit of wiggle room in the forefoot that I want to take up.
I have decided to go with an Intuition liner, and have chosen the FX Race model ( intuitionliners.com/the-liners/race/ ) as the most likely candidate that would suit my needs....which are.... - tongue style with reinforced upper cuff area - low volume forefoot and higher volume cuff, which is exactly what I need - thin sole for footbed and responsiveness/snow feel - medium-stiff foam which should stiffen the boot slightly (perfect), but not be rock-hard like the Pro Tongue. So it should be reasonably comfortable and give good performance (FYI, the liner foam stiffness chart is here: Intuition stiffness/volume chart )
Question for you all is, has anyone ever tried this model? All past comments re. Intuition have been about Power Wrap or Pro Tongue. If someone has experience with the FX Race, good or bad, I'd like to hear about it. Other comments / suggestions most welcome too.
Yes, that's what the guy from Intuition also said. Good advice. I have been back and forth with them by email over the past week getting help in selecting a proper model. For the FX Race, he said to round up from my usual 27.5 to a 28.
HA -- I take it you have some experience with this liner? Any other comments or insight to share?
I have only "fondled" the FX Race - never skied it. However, from fondling I could tell that it is quite similar in thickness and construction to the Plug which I have skied extensively (just doesn't have a tongue). The Plug is a bit stiffer though (and it seems that Intuition themselves agree on that point). As long as you have a fairly tight shell fit then you should be good with the FX Race.
Yes, the shell fit in my Infernos is very snug in the forefoot, instep and ankle. Minimal additional space there. It's only in the cuff area where I need some space to be taken up with a thicker liner. Adding a 1/8" felt shim to the inside of the tongue worked well for a tighter fit overall in the cuff, but there is still room for more. As an aside, this shim really improved heel hold in the boot.
The guy from Intuition did hint that the Plug and other high density foam models (Pro Tongue, etc.) are quite stiff and have rather hard foam. Since I am wanting neither of these characteristics, it pretty much ruled out those models. Their stiffness/volume chart is very helpful in this regard.
livingproof: Philly is an ice rink this morning, freezing rain over very cold streets. Weather is putting a dent into my ski season.
Jan 5, 2014 9:39:28 GMT -7
Deleted: LP - we had a three-day ice storm here just before Christmas, so I know well what you're dealing with. Not fun. Hope there's no damage in Philly. Take care.
Jan 5, 2014 20:23:02 GMT -7
livingproof: Philly weather warm fog last night, 8 inches of new snow = history! 8 degrees F tomorrow morning. Should be some great local boilerplate!
Jan 6, 2014 7:42:34 GMT -7
meput: - 22° F the other morning. +54° today. Forcast 0° tonight. Temperature rollercoaster at my home. The 'loaf got RAIN with the warm up. Looking forward to skiing on shaved ice
Jan 6, 2014 16:28:43 GMT -7
Deleted: Same story here...25 cm snow last night, some more freezing rain, and now there's 80 km/hr winds and -25 C temps. Wind chill is pushing -40 C. Supposed to continue all day tomorrow too. Whacky weather.
Jan 6, 2014 20:52:30 GMT -7
ToddW: -20° F on the drive up to VT on Friday. Freezing rain and heavy fog Sunday night made for an 8 hour return trip. Record low at home this morning. 40s and rain by Friday. What's up with the weather?
Jan 7, 2014 18:04:52 GMT -7
Deleted: Polar vortex is back. -26 C this morning. Will need a block heater in the car if this keeps up. Poor thing barely cranked this morning.
Jan 22, 2014 7:30:05 GMT -7
JimRatliff: Polar Vortex??? Is that the new Head all-mountain carving ski I've been hearing so much about?
Jan 22, 2014 9:04:03 GMT -7
JimRatliff: That's pretty chilly. 7F (-13C) in Central Park. Glad you didn't send the real cold air down.
Jan 22, 2014 9:04:58 GMT -7
JimRatliff: OK, but I still think "Polar Vortex" and "Polar Express" could be the start of a great family of ski names.
Jan 22, 2014 10:45:22 GMT -7
Deleted: I like it! Blizzard should take those on. Fits with their name. Easier to say than "Viva Ultrasonic Full Suspension IQ", or some such ridiculousness. Who can remember all that?
Jan 22, 2014 20:29:13 GMT -7
livingproof: Another round of Philly area snow....we're ground zero this season. Please start sending any future storms north.
Mar 2, 2014 8:15:55 GMT -7
Deleted: Neverending winter here in Ontario. More snow last night. Cold temps coming this week. Word on the street is that some local ski hills may be open until May. Remarkable and unprecedented.
Mar 22, 2014 9:03:22 GMT -7
superbman: we were supposed to make it to next weekend, but they put out that we're closing tomorrow. Bummer.
Mar 28, 2014 9:06:50 GMT -7
JimRatliff: I think most local places here are closing as well. Yesterday was last at Elk.
Mar 30, 2014 4:17:15 GMT -7
livingproof: My Blue Mtn home is planning to open next weekend (closed midweek). Spring temps are finally here, not sure if I'll make a final trip.
Mar 30, 2014 6:00:04 GMT -7
ToddW: Surefire way to scare away family skiers, from the Killington conditions page: "Expect huge bumps on Superstar for the Killington Triathlon."
May 2, 2014 13:22:58 GMT -7
JimRatliff: I just wanted to wish all a Happy Holidays. Amazing how quickly Christmas follows Thanksgiving.
Dec 13, 2014 14:53:23 GMT -7
superbman: I was looking at the reviews on real skiers for the Kastle FX 85 and FX 85HP…both interested me greatly, how similar are these to the FX 84 (if you have skied both..or is the 85 the 84??)
Sept 13, 2015 14:52:00 GMT -7