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Post by perry on Jan 3, 2014 12:25:21 GMT -7
For my eastern ski, almost always hard snow. Have an old dead pair of non kers magnums. I think I will like the kers, i had the old rx8 and they had rebound energy in the tails that i liked more than any other ski i have owned. (Just flex and let the energy of the ski help it cross under) i was thinking magnum but after reading reviews on the rally I am not sure. Gary, any place up there i can demo both when I come up? i am curious to hear from people who skied both or have one of the current Head SS skies including speed, (not interested in the plank called Titan) - I know Ron loved the rally, have you skied the new magnum? I like to ski a variety of turn shape and tempo but tend not to ski as much quick tempo, tight turn skiing in part i think due to the fact that I am 6'2" and my natural rhythms are not quick ( i have a long languid golf swing for example ) currently own REV85 184cm for out west daily driver.
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Post by meput on Jan 3, 2014 13:26:43 GMT -7
Skied both the Rally and Magnum last spring for one run each. The Rally really liked to "hook up". May not be as easy to brush/feather as the SS or the Magnum. Magnum was nice but not as sweet to ski as my kers SS's. Skied a Stockli Laser SL (non FIS). Great on the very firm stuff (ice or injected snow), may not be as versatile as the SS.
When out in Colorado, asked HH his thoughts for a SS replacement. He likes the iSpeed almost as much as the SS. What he likes even more than the extinct SS is the Mya 7. HH skied the 170 Mya 7 last winter. Head is not bringing the 170 Mya 7 to the US, currently the 163 is the longest they are importing. HH ordered a pair of 170's from a shop in Europe for himself because he liked them so much. He implied that someone happy with a 165 SS would probably get along with a 163 Mya 7.
I have not skied either the iSpeed or the Mya 7. They both were popular rental/demo skis at the Blue/dark blue camp.
At 6' 2", the 170 Mya might not be enough ski, even if you could find it.
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Post by perry on Jan 3, 2014 14:03:00 GMT -7
Meput, very helpful, definitely looking at the speed which I know Svend used to ski. (Maybe bring a pair to the Gary gathering Probably most helpful in that it screams DEMO. Maybe we can come up with a good demo list. PS - had my right SI joint injected today. Hopefully pain all gone in two days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 16:05:43 GMT -7
Hey Perry - sounds like fun times coming up for you. If you are skiing at Bristol with G before the Ellicottville gathering, then definitely check out the demo tent at the top of the main lift. They have a surprising variety and number of skis on offer, some quite high performance too. Demo list is here: www.bristolmountain.com/demo-centerVery reasonable cost. There is also a good ski shop in Ellicottville, whose name escapes me at the moment...Gary will know it. I used to own the SS Speed ('09 model, I think). Sold them some time ago as they were too short (170) and had a small sweet spot, which made them just too annoying for me to bother with in the constant chop and crud at my local hill. Sorry, I currently don't have much for you to click into that would turn your crank; just an older pair of Nordica Mach 3's that are my present hard snow ski (great skis, but not demo-worthy...you're welcome to take 'em for a cruise, though, just for a lark). If the new Speed is made anything like my wife's '07 SS Speeds, then they would be well worth looking at. Fantastic skis. She loves them. General consensus was that the early models were far superior to their '09 replacement which I owned. But it seems Head is back to making narrow hard snow carvers as good or better than those original SS's and Speeds. I wouldn't mind demoing one myself at some point.... Have fun! Edit: just looked at the '14 Speeds, and was interested to see that they have gone back to a 66mm waist, which is what my wife's '07 model have. Cool! The new ones have more sidecut (wider tip/tail) and shorter TR than hers; less GS oriented. Could be very a very fun ski.
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Post by JimRatliff on Jan 4, 2014 0:46:16 GMT -7
Moved by admin to this Board.
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Post by livingproof on Jan 4, 2014 7:12:27 GMT -7
Perry,
It appears the new Supershape Speed has been redesigned to be more between GS and Sl sidecut, and, that is how Head describes it on their website. The performance of the ski can be fine tuned by selecting the length. Memory tells me Harald was not a fan of the original Speed as it was too much GS oriented. I can understand how he now likes the redesigned Speed as closer to the original SS. In any case, it's great that Head still makes sub-70 waist carvers.
@170, the TR is 14.4 @177, the TR is 15.3
BTW, how do you determine your Magnums are skied out? I still have an original SS, now 5 years old, and still liking it on hard snow. It's no longer pretty and has some epoxy repairs, not the greatest ice carver, but fun.
If you are not into shorter turns, the 177 would be a better fit, whereas, for me, who likes short turns the 170 is appealing.
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Post by perry on Jan 4, 2014 8:42:40 GMT -7
Perry, It appears the new Supershape Speed has been redesigned to be more between GS and Sl sidecut, and, that is how Head describes it on their website. The performance of the ski can be fine tuned by selecting the length. Memory tells me Harald was not a fan of the original Speed as it was too much GS oriented. I can understand how he now likes the redesigned Speed as closer to the original SS. In any case, it's great that Head still makes sub-70 waist carvers. @170, the TR is 14.4 @177, the TR is 15.3 BTW, how do you determine your Magnums are skied out? I still have an original SS, now 5 years old, and still liking it on hard snow. It's no longer pretty and has some epoxy repairs, not the greatest ice carver, but fun. If you are not into shorter turns, the 177 would be a better fit, whereas, for me, who likes short turns the 170 is appealing. Svend, will definitely check out the demo hut. Looking forward to meeting you. just spoke to a friend who came back from Lake Louise and he really enjoyed it. My parents honeymooned there and hope to ski it someday. LP, helpful to know that the speed has been redesigned. The Mags I have are 177 and you ask a good question - how do I know they are dead? My best answer would be that since I am a doctor and have pronounced them dead...........they must be dead. In other words...95% subjective. I bought them 5 years ago used and they were already beat up. They have some Ptex core shots near the midski under the feet that are small but my attempts at repair have never lasted more than a day or two. They have never had any "pop" in the tails but that might just be the way they are made. They are still fun skis...your job on this board is to help a guy rationalize the need for a new pair. (where is Gary when you need him) As far as length, it makes sense to ski both. My RX8 was a 170cm. It is interesting that over on the PMTS site jbotti posted on skiing a longer TT80 at 177cm and how he felt the longer length helped him on the steep in the fall line (a welcome change from the short, short, short mantra over there.) But no question, shorter is quicker and longer more stable...just preference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 7:34:34 GMT -7
To quote John Cleese: "These skis wouldn't Voom if you put 10,000 volts through them!"
As for subjective assessments of the absence of life, I trust that as a doctor you employ objective methods for the remaining 5%, just to make sure. Other Python images come to mind...."I'm not dead yet.".....Whack!
For sure, Lake Louise is a special place. Let me know if and when you go, and I will give you the scoop on the area. I am not a local, but know it well.
LP - just because HH did not like a ski doesn't mean it's not a good one. Some people don't care for short radius skis - they don't suit their skiing style - so a GS type build works brilliantly and is the right choice...for them. Personal preference.
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Post by livingproof on Jan 5, 2014 9:33:50 GMT -7
LP - just because HH did not like a ski doesn't mean it's not a one. Some people don't care for short radius skis - they don't suit their skiing style - so a GS type build works brilliantly and is the right choice...for them. Personal preference. Svend, You are quite correct in stating personal preference is the deciding factor. Fine tuning of Head skis, and others like Kastle, is very confusing as there is a lot of overlap. Harb looks for certain characteristics that fit his technique; skis that come to life at 25 mph or 30 kph just do not fit well for the typical person learning that technique which is short turn centered. Perry, We both missed out on the Head Icon 177 buy that was available earlier this year through one of the major discount chains. They could be had for less that $300. I knew about it, but, I'm a year away from a new eastern carver. I do miss John Botti postings and reviews. He was always willing to do a purchase and give well thought and detailed reviews.
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Post by perry on Jan 5, 2014 11:21:58 GMT -7
Skied both the Rally and Magnum last spring for one run each. The Rally really liked to "hook up". May not be as easy to brush/feather as the SS or the Magnum. Magnum was nice but not as sweet to ski as my kers SS's. Skied a Stockli Laser SL (non FIS). Great on the very firm stuff (ice or injected snow), may not be as versatile as the SS. When out in Colorado, asked HH his thoughts for a SS replacement. He likes the iSpeed almost as much as the SS. What he likes even more than the extinct SS is the Mya 7. HH skied the 170 Mya 7 last winter. Head is not bringing the 170 Mya 7 to the US, currently the 163 is the longest they are importing. HH ordered a pair of 170's from a shop in Europe for himself because he liked them so much. He implied that someone happy with a 165 SS would probably get along with a 163 Mya 7. I have not skied either the iSpeed or the Mya 7. They both were popular rental/demo skis at the Blue/dark blue camp. Bout At 6' 2", the 170 Mya might not be enough ski, even if you could find it. Meput, just read this again and realized that you are talking about the WC iSpeed and not the supershape speed! This is good bc you can find these at a good price. As with all things Head, they have several different models which is confusing. Any insight here?
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