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Post by livingproof on Mar 15, 2014 8:37:30 GMT -7
Call me insane, but, yesterday, I bought a used 165 Fischer WorldCup Sl...yup, the full blown, all-out 63mm waisted short-turn speed machine. Watch out HelluvaSkier! Both of my narrow carvers, a Supershape and a Blizzard Sl, have edge separation issues, so, they will be retired. The Blizzard's are more a recreational Sl, so, it could be an interesting first few turns next season. The will be used on the hard, cold refrozen stuff we call snow in Pa., and, share DD duties with the Hart Pulse skis. At heart, I'll always be a short radius turn skier, so, they do match what I love to do. So, already, I've got something to look forward to for next season. And that's a good thing.
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Post by JimRatliff on Mar 15, 2014 14:58:02 GMT -7
Mike: Congratulations. Glad to hear that the Super Shapes have a more than "worthy" successor. I can't wait for a review of your transition to a full blown slalom ski.
It seems that "skinny" skis are the focus of the moment. First you, now Lynn with her new MYA7's, I believe that Svend may be demoing some narrow skis, andI am still on the lookout for the Fischer RC4 Superior SL in a 165 (would have liked a longer demo than the one at Elk). I might even consider a MYA7 in a 170 based on others recommendation.
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Post by HighAngles on Mar 15, 2014 18:47:53 GMT -7
I just bought the 2014 Stockli Laser CX - 68mm underfoot in a 170cm with a 14m sidecut. Skinny skis rule (even out West!).
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Post by HeluvaSkier on Mar 20, 2014 10:28:37 GMT -7
Call me insane, but, yesterday, I bought a used 165 Fischer WorldCup Sl...yup, the full blown, all-out 63mm waisted short-turn speed machine. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but are you sure this is a good idea?
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Post by JimRatliff on Mar 22, 2014 8:54:38 GMT -7
Call me insane, but, yesterday, I bought a used 165 Fischer WorldCup Sl...yup, the full blown, all-out 63mm waisted short-turn speed machine. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but are you sure this is a good idea? Heluva: So add to my education. Your question above combined with the explanation in the other thread about your brother breaking a pair of slalom skis by/when skiing GS turns (I assume at higher speeds) is interesting. It sounds like true slalom skis have advantages for slalom skiing and shortfalls when used for other kind of skiing?? Or are you just reminding us that more full-blown slalom skis are also more demanding of technique and balance and overall attention to controlling the skis?? Tell us casual recreational skiers a bit more, please? And, directly to the point, should I have any concerns about getting pair of Fischer RC4 Superior SC's (or last years RC4 SuperRace SC)? They are several steps down from a true slalom ski?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 9:07:31 GMT -7
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but are you sure this is a good idea? Heluva: So add to my education. Your question above combined with the explanation in the other thread about your brother breaking a pair of slalom skis by/when skiing GS turns (I assume at higher speeds) is interesting. It sounds like true slalom skis have advantages for slalom skiing and shortfalls when used for other kind of skiing?? Or are you just reminding us that more full-blown slalom skis are also more demanding of technique and balance and overall attention to controlling the skis?? Tell us casual recreational skiers a bit more, please? And, directly to the point, should I have any concerns about getting pair of Fischer RC4 Superior SC's (or last years RC4 SuperRace SC)? They are several steps down from a true slalom ski? Why should you? You demoed them, liked them a lot, they didn't beat you up, and you had fun. You're the only one here who knows how they ski and if they would be a suitable ski for you. Go for it man! Enjoy them.
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Post by livingproof on Mar 22, 2014 10:51:17 GMT -7
Call me insane, but, yesterday, I bought a used 165 Fischer WorldCup Sl...yup, the full blown, all-out 63mm waisted short-turn speed machine. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but are you sure this is a good idea? One great aspect of HelluvaSkier is his feedback is 100 percent un-sugar coated. He once told me never buy a GS ski as my technique and style were not well suited to a ski that needs 30 mph to come to life...and I agree with his thinking. The simple truth is it's something I've always wanted to do. I will find out when I ski the Fischer's, I will look forward to his response to Jim about why race SL's are problematic for a recreational skier. Two of my local ski buds use race SL's as daily drivers, mostly they don't make Sl type short, continuous turns. Their skiing is a little more GS radius with traversing between turns. My Blizzard Sl's are softer than the Fischers, and, I'm comfortable on them. A ski day at the home mountain usually is 4 focused hours, if I ski longer periods, it will be on a different ski, as, the Sl's require more effort and care. Another aspect is that my home mountain is totally groomed each day and the snow conditions can be very hard, carvers work very well. With respect to JR's question regarding using detuned short radius carver like the Fischer SC, I agree with Svend's thought in the above post. One aspect I've noticed is that few people ski in accordance with the radius of the skis they are on, almost always making wider radius turns. I've read one of the little jokes in PMTS training is telling a student that they are on Sl radius skis, and, now it's time to make Sl, and not GS, turns. For sure, I burn a lot of energy when attempting half a run doing HH style turns and tightening he arc (operative word is attempt . It will be many months before the on-snow review. My local buds tell me they are willing buyers for the Fischers in the event I don't like them.
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Post by HeluvaSkier on Mar 23, 2014 18:37:36 GMT -7
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but are you sure this is a good idea? Heluva: So add to my education. Your question above combined with the explanation in the other thread about your brother breaking a pair of slalom skis by/when skiing GS turns (I assume at higher speeds) is interesting. It sounds like true slalom skis have advantages for slalom skiing and shortfalls when used for other kind of skiing?? Or are you just reminding us that more full-blown slalom skis are also more demanding of technique and balance and overall attention to controlling the skis?? Tell us casual recreational skiers a bit more, please? And, directly to the point, should I have any concerns about getting pair of Fischer RC4 Superior SC's (or last years RC4 SuperRace SC)? They are several steps down from a true slalom ski? So, here's the thing... WC SL skis are built to do one thing: Ski SL turns. I mention this is precisely because of the clip I posted of my brother skiing on his face. For those who missed it: Ski are meant to be BENT into the arc you ski with them. Most skiers rarely do this, but that is kind-of the point. When an SL ski grabs and releases when not being bent into an arc, they are going to do at a much more aggressively level than a normal ski. They turn tighter, grip better, and require more aggressive inputs making the costliness of mistakes much higher. When I ski mine, I ski them properly (SL turns) and can usually manage a maximum of 8 runs. Anyone who buys them for anything other than SL turns is risking injury. This is where de-tuned, non-race stock skis shine. They can easily be skied as an all-mountain SL ski without the major risks of high-sides that could leave you with any number of injuries. I highly recommend non-race stock SLs. I don't know why someone would buy a WC SL as an all-mountain ski when they are so many truly great all mountain ski options out there now that would ski better on any surface outside of a course.
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Post by HighAngles on Mar 24, 2014 5:19:13 GMT -7
I've read one of the little jokes in PMTS training is telling a student that they are on Sl radius skis, and, now it's time to make Sl, and not GS, turns. For sure, I burn a lot of energy when attempting half a run doing HH style turns and tightening he arc (operative word is attempt . What we usually say is "those are beautiful GS turns you're making on your SL skis"
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Post by HeluvaSkier on Mar 24, 2014 5:51:25 GMT -7
I've read one of the little jokes in PMTS training is telling a student that they are on Sl radius skis, and, now it's time to make Sl, and not GS, turns. For sure, I burn a lot of energy when attempting half a run doing HH style turns and tightening he arc (operative word is attempt . What we usually say is "those are beautiful GS turns you're making on your SL skis" ...and the real catch is that if you wanted to make GS turns on an SL radius ski, the smarter (and easier) approach would be to get a SOFTER ski, not a stiffer ski - hence, not WC stock. The other bit I forgot to mention about the Fischer SL is that damned hole. Wait until a day when there are ice balls on the snow. Heh. I've ruined two sets of goggle lenses from sh!t flying through that hole and hitting me in the face. FWIW... maybe nothing... not sure. I currently have a 190 stiff GS and a 165 stiff SL. For next season I WILL NOT being skiing the stiff models of Fischer skis. They are too stiff. I'm going back to mediums because they bend so much better... and bending the skis is the name of the game.
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