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Post by JimRatliff on Feb 12, 2014 15:19:39 GMT -7
Lynn and I have been very pleased with our Progressors, and neither of us will be at all upset if we stick with them. Lynn's P8+'s are 72 mm, my P800's are 74. One of the things that has us thinking narrower is that we have such good "all-mountain" skis (MYA8 and Peak84) that we no longer need to think of the Progressors as "all-mountain East skis". We could choose to take either pair to Sugar Bush and be happy. But we do think the narrower waists will help us as we strive for higher tipping angles. Then we just have to bring those angles to the wider skis. Additionally, I really liked the Fischer Superior SC and its greater sidecut.
PS. And I just checked with the OP'er and got her permission to completely hijack this thread, so we are clean. We expect that we will likely be able to get tremendous prices on "narrow" skis this summer if we can find something we like.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 13:30:36 GMT -7
Lynn and I have been very pleased with our Progressors, and neither of us will be at all upset if we stick with them. Lynn's P8+'s are 72 mm, my P800's are 74. One of the things that has us thinking narrower is that we have such good "all-mountain" skis (MYA8 and Peak84) that we no longer need to think of the Progressors as "all-mountain East skis". We could choose to take either pair to Sugar Bush and be happy. But we do think the narrower waists will help us as we strive for higher tipping angles. Then we just have to bring those angles to the wider skis. Additionally, I really liked the Fischer Superior SC and its greater sidecut. PS. And I just checked with the OP'er and got her permission to completely hijack this thread, so we are clean. We expect that we will likely be able to get tremendous prices on "narrow" skis this summer if we can find something we like.
Jim, I think you'll have a challenge finding anything suitable for a light skier like Lynn (~115 lbs?). Unless there is a sub-70mm, non-metal reinforced ski hiding somewhere in a company's catalog that I have missed. The only one I've found is the Fischer Trinity, but that is only 4mm narrower than the Progressor. Do you think that will be noticeable and significant? All this just because someone told you that you needed more tipping angle? I don't get it. Tip the Progressors more and JUST SKI! Go have fun.
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Post by lynn on Feb 13, 2014 18:49:38 GMT -7
Svend Think 115lbs + 10 I've been bulking up to handle burlier skis.( believe that and i have bridge for you to invest in) My desire to demo the MYA 7 was based on my own inner thinking; no comment was made about my needing er, leaner skis. The combo of reading about the MYA 7, seeing them in person and my own internal conversation was the nexus of this demo dream. And yes, damn it, we are just going out and skiing. We have a 2 week road trip coming up. Big Sky, yellowstone for a "rest day", SLC area for a couple of days and then to finish up the second week in Vail accumulating both vertical and CEU's. One of these days, Lake Louise. Lynn
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 7:34:58 GMT -7
Bulking up....too funny. Said to a 220 lb Viking, that is rather amusing.
Good to know that you're going on a nice long 2 week trip. Sounds fantastic, and a really interesting circle trip to some wonderful ski areas.
My challenge to you and Jim: ski the entire 2 weeks without doing a single drill, and without even THINKING about your technique. You guys know how to ski, and do it well. Just stuff all that clutter away in a back cupboard of your mind, relax, enjoy the mountains, and have a vacation. And I'll bet you a pint of ale that you'll be better skiers at the end of the trip.
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Post by ToddW on Feb 14, 2014 9:05:35 GMT -7
Lynn and Jim,
Have a great time on your big western trip. And, like the Viking said, no pivot slips or grape smashing or foreagonal projection practice on this trip. Forget about coarse pizza and french fry turns and feed the mountain a five course meal of refined, elegant, playful, and powerful turns. I'm thinking that the trees of the west will need many moons to recover from two weeks of Lynn shredding them.
Remember ... even one pivot slip and Svend's guarantee of improved skiing is voided.
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Post by superbman on Feb 14, 2014 17:02:06 GMT -7
Bulking up....too funny. Said to a 220 lb Viking, that is rather amusing. Good to know that you're going on a nice long 2 week trip. Sounds fantastic, and a really interesting circle trip to some wonderful ski areas. My challenge to you and Jim: ski the entire 2 weeks without doing a single drill, and without even THINKING about your technique. You guys know how to ski, and do it well. Just stuff all that clutter away in a back cupboard of your mind, relax, enjoy the mountains, and have a vacation. And I'll bet you a pint of ale that you'll be better skiers at the end of the trip. Spot On Advice.
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Post by lynn on Feb 14, 2014 20:25:31 GMT -7
But, but, but.......I LIKE THINKING about my skiing. Especially since I have found speed control on scraped off trails. I am so happy with the skils I have been working to make my own. Breaking that wedge habit is hard!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 22:46:11 GMT -7
Well, skiing takes a lot of focus, so no one can ever stop thinking about what they're doing. But that's different from what I'm talking about. Anyway...enough said. Take in the beauty of the mountains, and revel in the thrill and joy of this great sport. Have a wonderful trip!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 8:37:38 GMT -7
With the recent bonding between midwif and her Head MYA 8's for an all-mountain ski, she is considering "downsizing" her Fischer Progressor 8's (72mm waist) with something that has a waist width of less than 70mm. At the top of her list (or maybe the only candidate at this time) is the Head MYA 7. The main attraction of the Progressor 8 is the fact that they can be easily bent at lower speeds, and yet they continue to hold at any reasonable speed, so she isn't interested in too stiff a ski. Any thoughts or suggestions on skis she should demo, or sources of MYA 7's at good prices. The skunk works has a 156 in stock for demo, so we will do that in March. Jim - I would take a careful look at the similarities between the Mya 7 that Lynn is so keen on, and the current Supershape Speed. From the specs alone, they appear to be the identical ski. Well worth flexing side-by-side in a shop, and definitely a demo, before pulling the trigger on these. Knowing how much Lynn hated the '08 SS Speed / Power One, I would recommend caution in buying without a demo. www.head.com/ski/products/skis/women/mya-n-7/6027/?region=euwww.head.com/ski/products/skis/performance/isupershape-speed/5990/?region=eu
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Post by gary on Feb 18, 2014 9:21:10 GMT -7
Lynn....I'm curious....I understand your feeling about a narrower ski MIGHT be easier to bring up on edge or get to higher edge angles but not sure that after 1 hour on snow when the snow is pushed around in piles that you might be rubbing your magic lamp looking for your genie to bring out your Mya 8's...
If your concern is tired knees....I have a question. ( not really focusing on you Lynn..but I think the subject matter applies to many I have helped with this)
When you bring your Fischer or Mya 8's up on higher or ANY edge angle...DO YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE ON YOU INSIDE EDGE DIRECTLY UNDER YOUR BOOT?
To explain what I mean...if you're sitting down, roll your right foot onto the inside edge...being able to feel that sold connection of the weight transferred to that edge of the foot is critical.
When in your skis, boots, and skiing and you transfer energy tipping to that edge and if it feels muted...you're in the wrong boot....energy transfer to that inside edge should be detectable, very solid and precise.
If the energy transfer is SOLID but it feels like it's more directed to your heels or just on the big toe, your binding mount point is incorrect. When correct, you will solidly feel the pressure migrate along that boot edge.
My point is...going to a narrower ski may not solve the problem. 99% of skis have sidecut.....being set up right to bring the ski up and hold it on edge is made SO much easier when you are mounted correctly on the ski. You'd be surprised how JUST 3-5 mm fore or aft can make...it's HUGE! ADD in a boot that you can feel (think "Princess and the Pea").... you've got a dynamite knock out combo!
I'm skiing on 94 and 113 underfoot...boots dialed and centered and getting the mounting point dialed in made ALL the difference in the world for me. The skis come alive, much more compliant and less stress on my legs.
NOW ...all of what I suggest,...is "in my opinion" and based on what I have found for myself....but it just might be worth considering before you turn the Fischer's and Mya's into furniture.
Best, G
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