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Post by geoffda on Dec 22, 2013 20:14:41 GMT -7
The scuffs are nothing to worry about. Mine cracked in the lowers around the cuff bolt. Keep an eye out for that (you'll have to pull the liner out and look from the inside since the uppers overlap and will prevent you from viewing that area from the outside.) BTW, I should have mentioned that the pair that cracked in that location were the first version of that boot. The Dodge guys took care of me and I ended up with a version 2 replacement. The version 2 boot didn't exhibit the cracking problem in that location, so it may well be that the issue is fixed. I'm guessing that Jay cracked out a V1 boot as well.
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Post by smackboy1 on Dec 28, 2013 10:51:53 GMT -7
FYI the weight of 1 boot:
Size 25 Dodge w/ Intuition Pro Tongue liner w/ WC Booster Strap 3 lbs 10 oz Size 26.5 Nordica Speedmachine 14 w/ Intuition Power Wrap liner w/ WC Booster Strap 5 lbs 1 oz
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Post by JimRatliff on Dec 28, 2013 12:03:38 GMT -7
FYI the weight of 1 boot: Size 25 Dodge w/ Intuition Pro Tongue liner w/ WC Booster Strap 3 lbs 10 oz Size 26.5 Nordica Speedmachine 14 w/ Intuition Power Wrap liner w/ WC Booster Strap 5 lbs 1 oz Smackboy: Thanks for posting that. I had been wondering what the weight might be. Interesting that my Head Raptors at 5lbs 11 oz are almost a pound heavier than your Nordica's.
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Post by smackboy1 on Dec 28, 2013 17:17:59 GMT -7
Interesting that my Head Raptors at 5lbs 11 oz are almost a pound heavier than your Nordica's. I'm pretty sure the Heads are a bit stiffer than the Nordicas. Also the Intuition liner makes a big difference. In the stock liners the Nordicas and Heads would weigh the same. Intuition Power Wrap liner: 10 oz Nordica stock liner: 1 lbs 4 oz I'm a big fan of Intuition. They're light and warm and tight on my feet.
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Post by HighAngles on Dec 28, 2013 17:30:39 GMT -7
Since I also have size 25 shells I thought I'd put up some numbers for comparison.
Head Raptor 130RS with ZipFit World Cup liners: 5 lbs. 5 oz. Head Raptor Overkill with ZipFit World Cup SE liners: 5 lbs. 8 oz.
The World Cup SE (size 25) weighs 19 oz. while the Intuition Pro Tongue (size 8) is 12 oz.
Honestly, the only time I care about the weight of my boots is when I'm hiking. I like my gear to have some heft to it as I feel it provides a more glued to the mountain feel.
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Post by JimRatliff on Dec 29, 2013 20:38:03 GMT -7
To be honest, the two times that I notice the weight is schlepping my TransPack bootbag to and from the slopes, and when my feet are hanging on the chair lift.
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Post by superbman on Dec 30, 2013 6:13:38 GMT -7
So…what to make from this thread? Good Product? Good Product but should be cheaper? Or, screw those bastards who charged 1500.00 only to do their R & D on the consumers (bike companies are notorious for this as well…all the early carbon mtb wheel producers should be brought before the Justice Department if you ask me)! Or, yeah, they're nice, but not twice as nice as a plastic race boot and evidently, only half as durable (for me, durability trumps all) and three times as 'fussy' to fit.
Usually, these small companies have an inkling of a good idea, but it's when the big guys get involved several iterations later that this sort of product really blooms. C'mon Head and Lange!
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Post by livingproof on Dec 30, 2013 9:36:23 GMT -7
^^^^^ Liam,
Whatever my takeaway regarding Dodge boots, I would not draw conclusions regarding the integrity of the Dodge boot developers, or, take away the stoke of those who choose to ski the boot. Quality vs cost is a common discussion point in most premium technology product discussions; we, the buyers, make our individual perceptions and decisions. In the development of new technology, you need to put it into the real world to determine it's performance and longevity. Dodge appears to have made right to their customers who had issues. My thinking is that both meput and Smackboy bought the boots at a great pricepoint, plus they got some world-class fitting, two excellent considerations in any buy.
I don't know where the future of carbon boots lies, Dodge, by itself, does not appear well positioned for growth.
My takeaway is there are pros and cons, and this thread examines the issues...a good thing.
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Post by JimRatliff on Dec 30, 2013 12:58:15 GMT -7
Living Proof: Good summary. I even remembered that there is a "like" button on this forum so I 'liked' your response.
Dan/Meput: Are y'all in contact with Glen enough that you could see what he feels about the Dodge boots and whether they are gaining any traction among the upper echelon of young racers. Not related to SBM's question so much as just curious.
My take is that building a better mousetrap is only the first step. Building a distribution channel and creating a market are just as tough and important.
Interestingly, there is a company in Salt Lake City "www.DaleBoot.com" that only sells direct to customers and each boot is "custom fit". They have been in business for over 40 years and have some extremely loyal and satisfied customers. Maybe you don't have to sell a million pair of boots to be successful?
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Post by meput on Dec 31, 2013 16:47:49 GMT -7
A couple of years ago, when Harald first became interested in Dodge boots, I asked Glen about them. He essentially brushed off the question. Why bother with a ski boot that is twice the cost of a traditional plug boot that only a couple of boot fitters can work on.
The Dodge boots did catch the attention of 3 "racers" that I rode up on a quad at the 'loaf. One of them had tried a pair. They were curious where I had bought them.
New problem with the Dodge boot. Wore them today in -10° - 0° temps. Much colder than my Dobies. I have never experienced my heel being cold before. Did not have on boot gloves, but they would not have helped the heel region. I will be wearing BootGloves tomorrow to help the toes.
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