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Post by perry on Dec 21, 2013 11:52:40 GMT -7
Actually, that comes from John Clendenin (to give credit where credit is due . Coach Maria was the source for the info about the "epiphany spot" & she attributed it to Jay. When she mentioned it, I commented that it sounded like Clendenin's "love spot". I do have Clendenin's book, so I will need to check it & see if he is responsible for both the "love spot" & the "epiphany spot". FWIW - Clendenin calls the fleshy part on the outside of the foot the "epiphany pad". It is a place you have a lot of proprioception (the sensations that your nervous system gives you that help you know where a body part is in space) that helps give you feedback about pressuring the outside edge.
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Post by ToddW on Dec 21, 2013 14:10:32 GMT -7
Jay sometimes uses that term, but he's always careful to give JC credit for it.
Meput, terribly sorry to read about your fall. Take it easy and heal well.
Smackboy, HighAngle's rumoured jacket for each day of the week is nothing. He's got a ski for each hour of the day. And even more enthusiasm for skiing than he has skiing gear. I'm glad you guys got to meet him and the Summit County crew. They're all great folks.
Perry, good to see you posting again. That means winter has officially started.
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Post by HighAngles on Dec 21, 2013 15:39:03 GMT -7
Perry, good to see you posting again. That means winter has officially started. Quite the apropos post considering it is December 21st.
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Post by meput on Dec 21, 2013 16:28:01 GMT -7
Meput, glad to hear that you appear to be OK. Jim, thanks. I still feel a little buzzed. Whether this is a result of the head shot or the red eye plane trip back east with ~ 2-3 hours of sleep in the last 36 hours (or both), time will tell. But where lots of people that I know truly "wonder if I am okay", your comment is greatly appreciated. Further reflection about the camp has given me new insight into the true reason for my fall. It took me only 1-2 days of skiing with Harald for my head to be totally full of different things to concentrate on as I ski. By day 5 there was no more room for Maria to impart more skiing knowledge. Therefore I needed to bang my head hard enough to shake out some of the old stuff to make room for more new info. Unfortunately, the camp ethos of exaggerate all movements was the driving concept. Instead of a little bump on the head to shake out some of the stale knowledge, we went BIG !!!
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Post by ToddW on Dec 21, 2013 19:42:39 GMT -7
Meput, Despite your earlier post urging me not to, I think you've convinced me to cancel Tux and skiing with HH. Just to think ... if I had only really listened before at camps, then this information reset could have happened to me. In fact, I think I had a close call last spring. Jay and I took off for a run in the fog to try a new drill while everyone else was booting up. I was skiing backwards in the fog concentrating on too many things when bang I was on the ground and my eyeglasses were ten feet away. I know now that if I'd been paying proper attention, my helmet would have cracked. Thank goodness that as a slow learner I have natural defenses against information overload.
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Post by livingproof on Dec 22, 2013 6:26:08 GMT -7
Sitting in Denver airport waiting on plane to fly east. Day 5 at camp was totally different. Light snow with flat light. Temp ~ 25. Todd, you will be happy; we lost our poles after our first warm up run. Marilyn Monroe, teapot, reach for the boot, hands on the knees to monitor knee position with tipping. Poles were returned, then runs to work on turn size. It was at this point my camp experience came to a screeching halt. Flat light, funky pitch changes & mental concentration on technique lead to caught edge with induced yard sale. First landing point was left side of head. Second was back. The head shot was severe enough to crack my helmet, shell and liner. No LOC but immediate lightheadedness. Skied down under careful watch of Maria. She was very complementary of my skiing when I couldn't think. Bumped into Colorado Steve and had a nice discussion about the local ski group. Once the camp skiers came in, my cracked helmet got lots of compliments. Strange end to my first camp. I blame it on poor light conditions and lack of terrain knowledge. With that said, I really enjoyed the camp, learned a lot and met many interesting people; campers, locals, coaches and HSS staff. Jim,Glad to hear that recovery is going well and with no long term issues. I wonder if there is a lesson for all of us from your experience. First of all, I'm becoming more conservative in flat light situations, just don't like it at all and my eyes are still pretty good. In the very short winter days, my home mountain gets little sun. I'll never stay to ski the afternoon when the mountain goes back to full shade. Second, you skied 6 straight days at the highest ski area in Co., and, my thinking is you must have been fatigued. Plus, you are trying new techniques. That's an invitation for trouble. I remember last season finishing up 9 straight days on skis. The last morning was a hard refreeze following a very warm day, I made one run and just went into the lodge knowing that it just was not worth the risk. I listen to my more easily fatigued body when it tells me "enough is enough". On my last day, I've always skied with the thought of not pushing the envelop and making very good decisions about how and where I choose to ski. None of us is as young as we used to be.
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Post by meput on Dec 22, 2013 10:41:02 GMT -7
Coach Maria was the source for the info about the "epiphany spot" & she attributed it to Jay. When she mentioned it, I commented that it sounded like Clendenin's "love spot". I do have Clendenin's book, so I will need to check it & see if he is responsible for both the "love spot" & the "epiphany spot". FWIW - Clendenin calls the fleshy part on the outside of the foot the "epiphany pad". It is a place you have a lot of proprioception (the sensations that your nervous system gives you that help you know where a body part is in space) that helps give you feedback about pressuring the outside edge. Hallelujah to everyone getting me oriented to the true path to the epiphany!!! Now that I have had some sleep and my head has come out of zero gravity, I took the time to look at my copy of "Clendenin Ski Method: Four Words for Great Skiing". It only took a couple of moments and "epiphany pad", which JC has even copyrighted. Boy is JC flowery in his terminology. I find HH's more analytical style easier to comprehend. Maybe JC's terminology is easy to understand as part of a lesson/camp, but reading it just loses me. Maybe that is why I did not recall the term when Coach Maria brought it up.
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Post by JimRatliff on Dec 22, 2013 10:52:36 GMT -7
I am very glad to hear that your memory seems to have returned to normal (subjective as that assessment might be). I agree with your comparison of John ’s teaching vs. Harald's. I always just assumed it was my left brain versus right brain, or frontal brain versus rear brain, but I can follow the Austrian logic progression better. I will say that for both of them their writing style seems consistent with their personality and they are able to communicate effectively with their students.
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Post by meput on Dec 22, 2013 10:57:37 GMT -7
I wonder if there is a lesson for all of us from your experience. First of all, I'm becoming more conservative in flat light situations, just don't like it at all and my eyes are still pretty good. In the very short winter days, my home mountain gets little sun. I'll never stay to ski the afternoon when the mountain goes back to full shade. Second, you skied 6 straight days at the highest ski area in Co., and, my thinking is you must have been fatigued. Plus, you are trying new techniques. That's an invitation for trouble. I remember last season finishing up 9 straight days on skis. The last morning was a hard refreeze following a very warm day, I made one run and just went into the lodge knowing that it just was not worth the risk. I listen to my more easily fatigued body when it tells me "enough is enough". On my last day, I've always skied with the thought of not pushing the envelop and making very good decisions about how and where I choose to ski. None of us is as young as we used to be. LP, I agree with you totally. The only thing I take umbrage with is: why did you have to bring age into it?
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Post by meput on Dec 22, 2013 11:15:20 GMT -7
I always just assumed it was my left brain versus right brain, or frontal brain versus rear brain I am glad to hear that others have competitive events within their brain regions . Maybe that helps to explain the argument that goes on between my intellectual side (let go of the big toe edge and flatten the ski) and the motor control side (no way, jose). The sad part is that whenever there are arguments within my head, I always seem to lose .
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