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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2013 19:44:37 GMT -7
H-A, are the Pro Wrap or Power Wrap models any more comfortable? As per Intuition's site, they claim about the same stiffness as the Pro Tongue. Different design, to be sure. Curious to know how they perform, not having the hard tongue. Have you tried either of those?
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Post by HighAngles on Nov 24, 2013 21:52:27 GMT -7
I don't have the Pro Wrap, but many pairs of the Power Wrap. The Power Wrap isn't as stiff as the Pro Tongue liner (at least mine aren't and I bought another new pair last season).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 7:01:11 GMT -7
Any comfort issues with those?
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Post by HighAngles on Nov 25, 2013 7:06:32 GMT -7
Any comfort issues with those? Not a bit. Honestly my biggest comfort gripe with the Pro Tongue (other than my instep which I solved with the neoprene) is the upper cuff area. The foam is so stiff that you really feel the top edge of the liner cuff as you move in your boots. I need to work on that area a bit and make it flare out some to take the "edge" off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 7:32:00 GMT -7
That's good to know about the Power Wrap. Thanks for that.
Do you notice any differences in performance between the tongue and wrap liners?
I hear you about the top edge biting -- the tongues on my Infernos were like that. It took a lot of massaging and some local application of heat to ease that off.
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Post by HighAngles on Nov 25, 2013 11:40:06 GMT -7
I've mostly only used the wrap style liner in 3-piece shells (Flexon, Krypton) and the tongue style in 2-piece overlap shells. The only Intuition tongued liner I used before the Pro Tongue was the Luxury liner and that didn't have the heel hold down performance I wanted so it was passed down to my son very quickly. Last season was the first time I really tried to make a wrap liner work in a 2-piece overlap shell (the Atomic Burner 120). The challenge of a wrap liner in an overlap shell is keeping the liner from getting hung up on the overlap; both during the initial molding and then every time you're getting into the boots. I was able to make it all work, but it was a lot more hassle than just going with a tongued liner with an overlap shell.
That said, from a performance perspective I think it really depends on the specific shell. Some shells just really scream, "I was designed to be used with a tongued liner". I tried some wrap liners a while back with overlap shells and found insufficient support provided at the front of the liner (where it meshes with the front cuff of the shell). The latest stiffer wrap liners from Intuition seem to have that issue mostly solved, but I would still be aware of the need for the match-up to be a good marriage of the two. So consider the height of the front of the boot shell and the stiffness of the liner support at the front when considering going in that direction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 9:52:39 GMT -7
Excellent advice and insight. Some good things to keep in mind if I decide to go down this road. Thanks H-A! Much appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 16:38:46 GMT -7
I found this review of several Intuition models: blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/intuition-linersIt gives some good insight into the characteristics of a few in their range, incl. the Powerwrap. The site has a few reviews of other liners as well -- Intuition and Zip Fit. Interesting reading into a topic I really knew little about until now.
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