H-A, are the Pro Wrap or Power Wrap models any more comfortable? As per Intuition's site, they claim about the same stiffness as the Pro Tongue. Different design, to be sure. Curious to know how they perform, not having the hard tongue. Have you tried either of those?
Not a bit. Honestly my biggest comfort gripe with the Pro Tongue (other than my instep which I solved with the neoprene) is the upper cuff area. The foam is so stiff that you really feel the top edge of the liner cuff as you move in your boots. I need to work on that area a bit and make it flare out some to take the "edge" off.
Post by HighAngles on Nov 25, 2013 11:40:06 GMT -7
I've mostly only used the wrap style liner in 3-piece shells (Flexon, Krypton) and the tongue style in 2-piece overlap shells. The only Intuition tongued liner I used before the Pro Tongue was the Luxury liner and that didn't have the heel hold down performance I wanted so it was passed down to my son very quickly. Last season was the first time I really tried to make a wrap liner work in a 2-piece overlap shell (the Atomic Burner 120). The challenge of a wrap liner in an overlap shell is keeping the liner from getting hung up on the overlap; both during the initial molding and then every time you're getting into the boots. I was able to make it all work, but it was a lot more hassle than just going with a tongued liner with an overlap shell.
That said, from a performance perspective I think it really depends on the specific shell. Some shells just really scream, "I was designed to be used with a tongued liner". I tried some wrap liners a while back with overlap shells and found insufficient support provided at the front of the liner (where it meshes with the front cuff of the shell). The latest stiffer wrap liners from Intuition seem to have that issue mostly solved, but I would still be aware of the need for the match-up to be a good marriage of the two. So consider the height of the front of the boot shell and the stiffness of the liner support at the front when considering going in that direction.
Last Edit: Nov 25, 2013 11:40:43 GMT -7 by HighAngles
livingproof: Philly is an ice rink this morning, freezing rain over very cold streets. Weather is putting a dent into my ski season.
Jan 5, 2014 9:39:28 GMT -7
svend: LP - we had a three-day ice storm here just before Christmas, so I know well what you're dealing with. Not fun. Hope there's no damage in Philly. Take care.
Jan 5, 2014 20:23:02 GMT -7
livingproof: Philly weather warm fog last night, 8 inches of new snow = history! 8 degrees F tomorrow morning. Should be some great local boilerplate!
Jan 6, 2014 7:42:34 GMT -7
meput: - 22° F the other morning. +54° today. Forcast 0° tonight. Temperature rollercoaster at my home. The 'loaf got RAIN with the warm up. Looking forward to skiing on shaved ice
Jan 6, 2014 16:28:43 GMT -7
svend: Same story here...25 cm snow last night, some more freezing rain, and now there's 80 km/hr winds and -25 C temps. Wind chill is pushing -40 C. Supposed to continue all day tomorrow too. Whacky weather.
Jan 6, 2014 20:52:30 GMT -7
ToddW: -20° F on the drive up to VT on Friday. Freezing rain and heavy fog Sunday night made for an 8 hour return trip. Record low at home this morning. 40s and rain by Friday. What's up with the weather?
Jan 7, 2014 18:04:52 GMT -7
svend: Polar vortex is back. -26 C this morning. Will need a block heater in the car if this keeps up. Poor thing barely cranked this morning.
Jan 22, 2014 7:30:05 GMT -7
JimRatliff: Polar Vortex??? Is that the new Head all-mountain carving ski I've been hearing so much about?
Jan 22, 2014 9:04:03 GMT -7
JimRatliff: That's pretty chilly. 7F (-13C) in Central Park. Glad you didn't send the real cold air down.
Jan 22, 2014 9:04:58 GMT -7
JimRatliff: OK, but I still think "Polar Vortex" and "Polar Express" could be the start of a great family of ski names.
Jan 22, 2014 10:45:22 GMT -7
svend: I like it! Blizzard should take those on. Fits with their name. Easier to say than "Viva Ultrasonic Full Suspension IQ", or some such ridiculousness. Who can remember all that?
Jan 22, 2014 20:29:13 GMT -7
livingproof: Another round of Philly area snow....we're ground zero this season. Please start sending any future storms north.
Mar 2, 2014 8:15:55 GMT -7
svend: Neverending winter here in Ontario. More snow last night. Cold temps coming this week. Word on the street is that some local ski hills may be open until May. Remarkable and unprecedented.
Mar 22, 2014 9:03:22 GMT -7
superbman: we were supposed to make it to next weekend, but they put out that we're closing tomorrow. Bummer.
Mar 28, 2014 9:06:50 GMT -7
JimRatliff: I think most local places here are closing as well. Yesterday was last at Elk.
Mar 30, 2014 4:17:15 GMT -7
livingproof: My Blue Mtn home is planning to open next weekend (closed midweek). Spring temps are finally here, not sure if I'll make a final trip.
Mar 30, 2014 6:00:04 GMT -7
ToddW: Surefire way to scare away family skiers, from the Killington conditions page: "Expect huge bumps on Superstar for the Killington Triathlon."
May 2, 2014 13:22:58 GMT -7
JimRatliff: I just wanted to wish all a Happy Holidays. Amazing how quickly Christmas follows Thanksgiving.
Dec 13, 2014 14:53:23 GMT -7
superbman: I was looking at the reviews on real skiers for the Kastle FX 85 and FX 85HP…both interested me greatly, how similar are these to the FX 84 (if you have skied both..or is the 85 the 84??)
Sept 13, 2015 14:52:00 GMT -7