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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 6:11:49 GMT -7
Are there any new developments to this topic? It's been about a year since the original discussion. Has anyone done further testing or experimenting and learned anything noteworthy to share?
The reason for the question is that I have purchased a new pair of Watea 88's for my daughter, and now need to figure out the binding mount position (I intend to flat-mount, so want to get it right the first time). They have a slight early rise tip, and are also a unisex model, so the factory mark will not be useable.
FWIW, I have had mixed results with the BoF/CRS method, and that on non-rockered skis. It's been a good starting point, but on several of our skis I have ended up deviating forward or back from this mark to end up with a balanced position.
Any recommendations for the Wateas?
Cheers, Svend
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Post by HighAngles on Nov 25, 2013 11:56:20 GMT -7
In an ideal world, one where the ski you're mounting has a fairly even flex, the tip or tail isn't overly stiff and out of "balance" with the rest of the ski", then my current line of thought is to go with planting the midsole of your foot over the narrowest point of the waist (which should also correspond to the thickest part of the ski profile). Of course the midsole of your foot will only be aligned with the midsole of your boot shell if you have a fairly tight shell fit. If your fit is more "relaxed" then your actual midsole is most likely a bit rearward of the marked midsole on the boot (when your foot is buckled down tightly into the shell). I'm finding that manufacturers sometimes put their factory marks at this point, but not always. So it's worth checking to see how the factory mark actually lines up with the sidecut of the ski and its profile. At this point, the days of using BoF over CRS are long past when dealing with modern ski designs. The best bet is to experiment with an adjustable binding and for me my starting point is now driven by the sidecut design of the ski, not by any of the contact measurements (whether that's Center of Running Surface or Effective Edge). I know some of you will note this is a fairly major shift in my thinking as compared to years past. What can I say, I'm ever evolving in my understanding of the sport and from my own personal experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 7:07:36 GMT -7
At this point, the days of using BoF over CRS are long past when dealing with modern ski designs. The best bet is to experiment with an adjustable binding.... I agree. Even with non-rockered skis, the BoF/CRS thing was kind of hit and miss. Worked for some skis and skiers, but not others. Much of the time I ended up moving the bindings either forward or back, which tells me that there was no consistently predictable error involved (ie. BoF/CRS was not consistently 1 cm fwd. or back). Rocker / early rise just makes this even more complicated. As you say, and based on my own experience, I will likely be going with adjustable bindings from now on, even with wider skis. Either a rail-type, or a light plate. Good tip on setting a starting point at narrowest part of the sidecut. I will try that and see how it works out. There are two new skis here that need bindings -- Head Mya 9 (Rock 'n Roll), and Watea 88 -- both for female skiers. If that binding point works out for them, I will report back and let you know.
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Post by gary on Jan 28, 2014 17:21:10 GMT -7
Since I have and adjustable binding and have found the sweet spot on both my skis....I checked to see where my mid sole was on both of my skis....
Low and behold....my midpoint is almost zackly at the narrowest part of the ski.....Nice.
I checked Alice's skis too...hers too.
Certainly is a great place to start at least for me.
G
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